When you?re grinding mobs for xp:
kill 10 mobs
-repeat-
you level

When you?re questing for xp it?s only slightly more complicated:
talk to npc first
kill 10 of a specific mob
return to npc
-repeat-
you level

I know plenty of people that would not touch a game without quests the way they are today (the endless Let’s-find-a-new-excuse-to-get-them-to-kill-or-click-a-certain-creature-or-object-X-times) and i’m not sure most of the people that play WoW are much different. Even if WoW players are discontent with quest design WoW’s gameplay is not conducive to the mob-grind style of play found in EverQuest. Everything happens too fast in WoW, people would be camping square miles in-game because they could kill so fast and move so quickly.

But so what is the solution? Epic-style questing would work if the game’s experience gaining system was excluded from the questing system mostly if not completely. Why do I say this? Because people would seek out those quests solely for experience because as they are in games today quests give bonus experience for killing specific mobs that you would probably be killing anyway.

When you’re grinding mobs for xp:
kill 10 mobs

you level

When you’re questing for xp it’s only slightly more complicated:
talk to npc first
kill 10 of a specific mob
return to npc

Now I haven’t studied it enough to know, but it seems to me like you will probably end up killing about the same number of mobs either way, questing just puts a middle man in between the kills and the experience for you. I’ve heard this explained as “giving the players a sense of accomplishment” and while it may work for some people this blog entry’s existance is evidence that it doesn’t work for everyone.

Now I understand that questing serves other purposes, such as advancing the story and producing items, but since experience gain in indeed the driving force in an MMO (we couldn’t have any of these games without levels now could we?) everything else plays second fiddle to the accrument of experience.

Close in priority to experience is loot. While level is the most important determining factor for power when two similarly leveled players walk into the same situation the one with better gear will prevail.

Last in priority is lore. Someone recently said to me “Knowledge is cheap. You can just go look up whatever you want to know on the internet” and I cannot find flaw in the sentiment. Yes, for those of us interested in the story we can read quests, but in the end we can be at max level, have the best gear in the game, have never read an ounce of lore we didn’t have to and look up everything on-line and become our guilds resident lore guru. In this way the value of quests cannot really be counted in terms of lore for the masses, but simply a leveling/looting mechanism.

Is there another way to level besides grinding mobs or grinding mobs under the guise of questing? If you imagine your favorite MMO without textures on the landscapes, and instead blank grey/white tiles you will see in outdoor zones a lumpy sheet, covered in creatures to kill. You gain levels by killing those creatures, whether for quests or otherwise. This is a very one-dimensional concept. Sure I guess exploring places can give some experience, but in the end there is very little else to do that progresses your character in levels.

How else should we give experience? Yes, questing can be dull, but it seems to me that the only alternative is reverting to the EQ grind. Please! Prove me wrong! I want to be wrong!

Today’s “Quests” are far away from the destiny changing adventures and quests of arthurian legends…^^

True Virtual Worlds work nicely without quests - Ultima Online had none, only player, GM or “server” run events, most of them unique in nature.

Quests are not bad per se, but they cannot make up for design flaws. Questing cannot compensate for a lack of interaction with the environment e.g..

Current Quest types should be named Tasks and Quests should be left as the Epic stuff.

If friends login, they can’t just hop right into the action. If someone leaves, you have to either move on with him or everyone stops.

In the old days of “grinding mobs”, it was totally seamless as people joined or left. Sometimes you changed where you fought, but it was not a huge problem.

There needs to be some major changes made in the whole “quest” concept - especially as it relates to story telling. Quests do a HORRIBLE job at telling stories as currently implemented in MMOs.

(Besides, “Why Silicon-based Life is Unsustainable” would make a sweet blog topic.)

The only quests I really enjoyed were the random newspaper quests in City of Villains. They made it feel like you were being somewhat proactive for your own interests, rather than playing lackey for somebody. They also didn’t waste time with “collect 10 bohemian earspoons”. They tended to be pretty fun, even when doing them repeatedly, due to their randomness.

Protonk - This guy is calm, cool, rational, and will tell you what’s what without being a dick.

Scandum - Knows his stuff. Doesn’t take shit. Willing to do some tough researching. Tends to be very careful about deleting anything and pretty bold about adding things.

Phil Sandifer - Zealous about defending games in general, and he’s serious about good sourcing.

Fred Bauder - Another person willing to defend the obscure and slightly off the beaten track. Calm, cool, doesn’t fly off the handle or get overly invested.

J.delanoy - Never really got involved in the Threshold thing, but one of the most patient and helpful admins out there. He seems like a very behind the scenes guy, but definitely a defender of the weak.

Neurolysis - This guy is pretty passionate about Wikipedia and never really got involved in the Threshold thing either except to listen with an open mind about the banning.

I’ve left out some good people here, I think, but I could really only discuss the ones I had serious interactions with. I don’t count them as helpful because they were “on our side”. I simply believe their attitude is one of inclusion and production rather than deletion.

I’ll update with a list of “Run for your life” admins at a different time. Their sketchiness continues to manifest itself in bizarre ways.

If I were someone who might potentially create an article about something new and different, reading a story like this would totally kill my desire. Why spend hours sourcing and crafting a well written article just to have some snot nosed twit, bucking for adminhood, come along and delete it?

No thanks.